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Thank you very much, thank you very much. Thank you very much, thank you for having me.

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Come on, let's start with the show.

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Thank you very much.

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Fakat bu Mehdiyet şeklinde tezahür edecektir.

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Tevrat'ta geçen Kral Mesih yani Moşiyah'la Müslümanların Mehdi dediği şahıs aynı kişidir.

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Bütün dünyada bir barış, kardeşlik, demokrasi ve sevgi çağı başlayacaktır.

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Vahşet çağı, kavga çağı bitecektir, terör bitecektir.

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Bunu önümüzdeki 10 yıl içerisinde ara ara aşağı aşama göreceğiz.

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Fakat Mısır'da tabi olaylar biraz devam edebilir.

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Yani diğer İslam ülkelerinde de devam edebilir.

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Fakat ciddi boyutlarda olmayacaktır.

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Çok çok ciddi boyutlarda olmayacaktır.

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Ortadolu'da da bir savaş çıkması mevzu bahis değildir.

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Hz. İsa'nın yeryüzünde olduğuna biz inanıyoruz.

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Yani indiğine inanıyoruz, Mehdi'nin de çıktığına inanıyoruz.

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Olaylar şu ana kadar tam dediğimiz gibi çıktığı için ve bütün olaylar da bu şekilde çıkmaya devam ettiği için

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dediklerimizin gerçek olduğunu halk görüyor, insanlar görüyor.

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Yani bir demagoji, bir inanç da saplantı değil bu.

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Bir gerçek.

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Bir süre bu pek mümkün olmayacak benim kanaatim.

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Yani kargaşa bir süre devam edecek.

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Sistemin oturması, iddiati İslam'ın oluşması, yani mehdiyetin dalgasının oraya ulaşmasıyla bir sükunet oluşacaktır.

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Zaten Mısır'da Türkiye'yi model alma düşüncesi var.

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Bu zaten Türkiye'deki mehdiyet modelini kabul etme anlamına geliyor bu.

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Yani demokrasi, barış, kardeşlik, insanlara hoşgörüyle bakma, sevecen bakma, bilimi ve sanatı savunma bu çevrede kabul gördü.

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Türkiye'yi model olarak alır.

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Ama Türkiye'deki model mehdiyet modelidir.

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Dolayısıyla mehdiyetin modelini aldıklarını anlıyoruz.

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Bu güzel bir gelişme Mısır için.

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Aydın Buyur'da Türkiye'yiendeu ver Fosterceğin, or trochę da gebruikскую eylemiz где 12ami arttırı,

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Türkiye'deki tel бор traitor ki tabaklerdir.

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Bu sorunную göre Milwaukee'nin tarafından varlıyoruz.

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whether the first regime to take responsibility in the aftermath of a revolution

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will have the ability to meet the hopes and dreams of the people

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or, regardless of its own talents, whether it will be overwhelmed by the challenges

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and the people themselves will be disappointed with it.

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The risk for the next, it seems to me, for the next government of Egypt is actually a risk of expectations.

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The people expect that having turned out the Mubarak regime

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and having undertaken these big challenges to create a democratic regime

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where the people can speak and state what they want, that the government that takes power will actually not be able,

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because of the constraints of the turmoil and the international economic situation,

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to be able to create the positive, strong economic growth that Turkey has today.

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Turkey has undertaken tremendous efforts since 2002 to build the economic record that it justly is proud of.

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The problem for Egypt, it seems to me, is that within a year there will be a new elected government taking power in Egypt,

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quite possibly with very deep Islamic roots, and yet the people will be interested not only in its affiliations,

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religious affiliations, but also in its ability to produce better economic growth and deal with the economic crisis in Egypt.

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So what worries me about Egypt is that no matter who wins the election, the challenges, the economic challenges that they have will put in question the transition there.

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Even though it向 of Israel in Egypt, the impGoldeniumalon bearing to life is actually important,

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hearts we have to do such historic promises as a nation.

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Stuff is really about within its份 of its own psyche,

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Even its life a nation.

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We have to be in society as humanity,

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social builders can end up again,

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This planet in the past?

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They can be Youtube as a nation.

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And our mission is lihat even more Exactly.

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Him helps us the Indonesia's creation…

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And what is happening?

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Handicuizing structure in chacun,

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living in life,

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man-evi yönden

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ruhların doyuma ulaşması,

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yoksa yani iyi yemek yemek,

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lüks arabalarla gezmek,

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Mısırlar için öyle bir sorunları yok.

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Yani bunu

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herkes akılcı bakarsa

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görebilir.

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Tek amaç,

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bir iddiati İslam. Yani İslam'ın

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birleşmesi, Kur'an'ın,

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Kur'an ahlakının tam yaşanmasıdır.

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Akılcı bakıldığında

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bunu rahatça herkes görebilir.

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you may well be right. And if that's

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the case, then we will see

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a lost generation, a generation

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there are no jobs.

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for which there are no jobs.

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industry

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to acquire

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income with which to start

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a family. And so

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they very much are

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at odds waiting

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for some

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development for them

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to be able

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to begin

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in the disaffection

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of Egyptians

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with the Mubarak regime.

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Not the entire factor. I agree

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of religious

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activities in Egypt

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part of what it is

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that has

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caused this revolution.

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many, looking at it from the outside

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that one of the challenges

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will be for the next

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government

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of the great state,

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the great country of Egypt

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will be able to restore

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a sense of pride

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and progress

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in Egypt, which has been

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really very much devastated

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by the revolution.

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income, less food,

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less ability to

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make a way in the world.

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what we worry about

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as to the longevity.

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Of course, they need to work out

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a new relationship with their own military.

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a relationship where

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the people understand

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the role of the military

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and protection of the country.

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And the military understands

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that the people

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can set policy for the country.

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Those are the challenges

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that Egypt faces

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in the coming six months

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to a year.

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And I think all of Egypt's many friends

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in the wider world,

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not just in this country,

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in Europe,

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around the world,

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the Arab world,

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hope that it can find its way,

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can find a balance

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that can allow the people of Egypt

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to be the great people

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that they truly deserve.

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Yes.

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Yes.

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Mısır'da ihvan-i Müslümin'in

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ağırlığı vardır.

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Yani,

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Müslümin'dir.

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Yani Müslüman Kardeşler Teşkilatı'dır.

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Müslüman Kardeşler Teşkilatı'nın

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ana düşüncesi, ana fikri

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Mehdiyettir. Açık açık bunları ifade ederlerdi.

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Toplantılarında

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Arapça,

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innen nizile reis.

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Medrese de yok.

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Eğitim de yok.

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Mehdi çıkacak tarzında ifadeleri vardı.

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Dolayısıyla Mehdiyet'in zuhur ettiğine inanıyorlar.

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Onlar da yani Mehdiyet çağında olduğumuza inanıyorlar.

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Ve Müslümanca yaşamayı amaçlıyorlar.

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Yani mesela evinde, yerde oturmayı kabul edebilir onlar.

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Yarım ekmek çok az bir peynirlerinden yaşayabilir ama illa ki İslam'la Müslümanlıkla yaşayalım diyorlar.

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Yani asıl istedikleri budur.

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Yoksa yani sanayi kurulsun, ekonomik refah olsun, çocuklarımız rahat içinde yaşasınlar.

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Yani Mısırlılarının yüzde biri, yüzde ikisi ancak bu düşüncede olabilir.

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Yani yüzde doksan sekizi bu düşüncededir.

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Yani ihvan-i Müslümin düşüncesindedir.

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Bunun bilinmesi çok kolaydır yani.

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Araştırıldığında, incelendiğinde rahatça görülebilecek bir gerçektir bu.

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Bütün dünyada böyle bir yapılanmayı biz göreceğiz.

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Yani mesela Avrupa'daki ekonomik krizin sebebi dinden uzaklaşılmasıdır.

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Dinden uzaklaşıldığı için ekonomik kriz başlamıştır.

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Mesela Amerika'nın zenginliğinin yine sebebi Allah'ın varlığına inanmasıdır.

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Yani Amerikan dolarında bile Allah'ın varlığına inandıklarını söyleyen bir ifade var biliyorsunuz.

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Yani Allah'a inanan devletler, Allah'a inanan milletler daha güçlü, daha başarılı oluyorlar.

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Allah'a inanılmadığında, inanç olmadığında da ekonomik kırık ve çöküntü oluyor.

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Bunu bütün dünya gördü.

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Yunanistan'da bile din adamları bir araya geldiler, dua ettiler.

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Dindarlığın gelişmesi için tedbirlen olmasını istediler ve dini eğitim onun için, din zayıfladığı için bu hale geldiklerini hepsi ikrar edip kabul ediyorlar.

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Dinsizlik insanların gücünü, aktivitesini öldürür, heyecanını öldürür, yaratma gücünü öldürür, yaşama heyecanını öldürür.

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Dolayısıyla da ekonomik kriz de meydana gelir, çöküntü de meydana gelir.

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I mean, I think that that is one way of looking at the present circumstances in the world.

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One question about that though is how do you explain the success of China where they are not very religious at all?

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Çin'de insanlar insanlıktan çıkmış şekilde, yani orada insan kalmadı adet hayat, robot halindeler.

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Yani Çin'e gidin bakın insanlar makine haline gelmişlerdir.

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Yani makinenin bir parçası haline gelmişlerdir.

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Makineler bir çelikten makine var, bir de insandan makine var, insan etinden oluşmuş makine var.

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Yani orada insanlıklarını bırakmadılar.

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Onlar köle haline gelmiş durumdalar ve manen çökertilmiş, ruhlara alınmış haldeler.

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Yani Çin modelini bir model olarak ele almamız mümkün değil.

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Bilakis decaliyetin bir modeli olarak insanların mahvolması yönünden değerlendirebiliriz.

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Bir de Çin'de halk sürünüyor, devlet zengin.

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Yani devletin malı mülkü var, halk sürünüyor.

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Birkaç metrekarelik küçük hücrelerde adeta hayvan gibi yaşıyorlar, perişan şekilde yaşıyorlar.

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Karın tokluğuna yaşıyorlar, bir köle sistemi var.

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Dolayısıyla Çin insanlık dişi bir modeldir.

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Yani o yönde, müspet yönde değerlendirecek bir yönü yok.

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Demokrasinin olmadığı, sanatın olmadığı, huzurun, sevincinin, neşenin olmadığı dehşet toplumudur Çin.

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I would note that actually the situation in China has gotten a lot better than it was before.

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Chinese people have bigger apartments, more food, they're growing more strong than they have before.

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But obviously China is not a perfect society, the United States is not a perfect society for that matter.

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We all have to continue to try and get better.

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Let me just say that I did live in Turkey in the 1980s and have great admiration for Turkey and the Turkish people.

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We love Americans, Americans.

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We love Americans.

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We love barışçı, nice, nice, good, good, good, good, good people.

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Thank you very much.

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Is there anything else I can do for this afternoon and I want to thank you very much for having me on your show?

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Ben size Türkiye'ye davet ediyorum, hanımınızla ikinizi bekliyoruz.

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Burada açık oturum yaparız, sohbet ederiz, konuşuruz, size ağırlarız.

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Hem İstanbul'u gezersiniz, iyi olur.

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Thank you very much.

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We'll try to come visit if I find myself in Istanbul.

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And we're very much grateful to you for inviting me and wish you well.

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Thank you very much.

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Thank you.