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Israele bağlantımız varmış öyle mi?

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Evet.

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Kimdir konuşacağımız şahıs?

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Profesör Avraham Diskin isimli biri.

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Avraham?

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Evet.

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İsrail'in çeşitli başbakanlarına, dışişleri bakanlığına ve Knesset'e danışmanlık yapmış bir politika uzmanı kendisi.

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İsrail, Kudüs İbrahim Üniversitesi'nde politika bilimi fakültesi başkanlığı yapmış.

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Herziya politika eğitim merkezinde de profesör.

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İsrail ve uluslararası medyada politika analizcisi olarak sık sık görüşlerine başvuruluyor.

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1980'li ve 90'lı yıllarda İsrail Dışişleri Bakanlığı'nda askeri okul komitesine başkanlık yaptı kendisi.

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Ayrıca 2000'li yıllarda anayasanın yazılmasına yardımcı oldu ve Knesset'in yasama komitesine danışmanlık yaptı.

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Beyefendiyi bağlayalım.

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İnşaAllah.

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Avraham Bey nasılsınız?

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Beyefendi.

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Beyefendi.

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Beyefendi.

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Beyefendi.

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Maşallah.

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Bu kısmı iyi geçtik.

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Maşallah.

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Sayın Avraham dinliyorum sizi.

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Ok, ok, ok. First of all I would like to ask Mr. Oktar, I understand that he is very active about bonds between the three monoteistic religions and I'd like to know more about his ideas concerning that.

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Ahir zamandayız Tevrat'a göre, kutsal kaynaklara göre, Peygamberimiz'in hadislerine göre ahir zamandayız.

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Artık insanların tek ümmet olma zamanı geldi inşaAllah.

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Kral Mesih'in yani Mehdi'nin öncülüğünde insanlar dost ve kardeş olacaklar.

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Bu kavgaların, bu savaşların, bu anarşinin, şeytanın yani deccalin bir ürünü olduğunu bütün insanlık gördü.

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Biz huzur içinde yaşamak istiyoruz.

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Herkes birbirini mahkemelere veriyor, eziyor, dövüyor, sövüyor, hakaret ediyor.

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O ondan nefret ediyor, o ondan nefret ediyor.

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Bu çok korkunç bir şey.

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Kötü bir şey.

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Affedicilik güzeldir, sevgi güzeldir, barış güzeldir.

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Biz de inşaAllah Mesih'in talebeleri olarak, Mehdi'nin talebeleri olarak bu gayret içerisindeyiz.

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İyilik ve güzelliğin dünyaya hakim olmasını istiyoruz.

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And unfortunately, even today we have, for instance, some Muslims who are very intolerant to those who are not Muslims.

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And the question is, how optimistic one can be under such conditions?

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İyiler daima galiptir.

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Her zaman galip olacaklardır.

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Ahir zamanda da iyilerin galibiyete doğru gittiğini görüyoruz.

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Kaba kuvvet, şiddet taraftarları, terör taraftarları rezil rusfayı oluyorlar, perişan oluyorlar, eziliyorlar, aşağılanıyorlar.

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İyiler, doğru olanlar, sevgi taraftarı olanlar daha da güçleniyorlar.

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Bu bütün dünyanın göz önünde gelişiyor.

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Bu müsbet, olumlu bir gelişmedir.

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Evet, and I believe that Mr. Oktar wrote, after the 9-11 terrorist attack in New York, in Washington,

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a very important book called Islam Denoncers Terrorism.

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And I would like to learn about the reactions to this book, not in the non-Muslim world, but in the Muslim world.

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That's even more interesting, I think.

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Genellikle şeytan taraftarları, deccel taraftarları tabi ki barıştan hoşlanmazlar.

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Ama Müslümanlar, özellikle Türkiye'deki Müslümanlar çok aklı başında barışçıl, sevgi yanlısı, dostluk yanlısı, kardeşlik yanlısı insanlardır.

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Demokrasiyi savunan insanlardır.

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Türkiye bu yönde Orta Doğu'ya, bütün Balkanlara, İslam alemine, Türklük alemine güzel bir örnektir.

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Doğal lider olmuştur bu sebeple de ve bu doğal liderliğini daha da geliştirecektir.

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Hem İslam aleminin, hem Türklük aleminin lideri olacaktır.

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Bu liderlik içerisinde de hem Ermenistan, hem İsrail ve diğer devletlerde, başka dinlere mensup devletlerde, başka milletlere mensup kişilerde huzur, barış içerisinde, neşe, sevinç içerisinde, bereket, bolluk içerisinde yaşayacaklardır.

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Örneğin, o zaman, bring llegirebiz iyi sadararız.

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support space between all people, regardless of their beliefs and origin, I think should

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be blessed.

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But I want to ask a question about the relationship between Turkey and Israel.

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In the past, there were very, very good relations, not only on the level of governments between

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Turkey and Israel, but also between the peoples, and it looks that recently there is a sort

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of deterioration, both on the governmental level and also a growing hostility amongst

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at least parts of the peoples.

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And I wonder if one could be optimistic about the future given these developments.

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Now that the situation is still tiket on theова, and Israel...

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That has to say that the world of daughters is not impossible.

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Now the Middle East is not going to be in the current messiahs and Jonathan 생각을,

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but rather than not losing its truth.

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For example, the friends and relatives, no gate of the village parties, nothing

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definite, like this,

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This will help many of these beliefs.

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They are Shortly of disillusionment,

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such as story of Zap Deborah,

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Technology,

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Sri champion,

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laws are not,

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anybody who did sink.

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Everything is

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mitä they want.

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usulen giden dostlukların

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bir anlamı olmaz. Mesela Amerika'yla, İsrail'le

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dostlar ama hiçbir zaman için

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gerçek anlamda bir dostluk olmamıştır.

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Hiçbir zaman için güvenilir bir ortam olmamıştır.

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Yani

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protestanların olsun,

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ortodoksların olsun, katoliklerin

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olsun, İsrail'e bakışı

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hiçbir zaman için bizim istediğimiz

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anlamda, bizim anladığımız anlamda,

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hadislerde belirtilen

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anlamda, Tevrat'ta belirtilen anlamda

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olmamıştır. İlk defa

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olacaktır. Gerçekçi

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davranıp bu güzel devrin

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hakkını verecek şekilde

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güzel gayretler etmek lazım.

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Well,

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in Israel there is a lot

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of concern about

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the present

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regime in Iran

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which seems to be

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very hostile to

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Israel.

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denying the Holocaust

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or the Second World War

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but also

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coming

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once and again

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for the

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elimination of the

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State of Israel.

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I would like to ask

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what

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Mr.

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Hukta

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thinks about it.

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Bunlar tabi boş

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hayaller. Böyle bir şey

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hiçbir zaman için olmaz.

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Kur'an'da

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Musevilerin

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İsrail'de kalacağı, orada

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yaşayacakları

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açıkça ifade ediliyor.

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Buna hiç kimsenin gücü yetmez.

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Kader'de

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İsrail orada

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kalacaktır.

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İran

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karşılıklı etkileşim

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içerisinde, yani bir

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toplum kilitlenmesi var.

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Şii görüşe göre

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Mehdi inancında,

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onlardaki Mehdi

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inancında

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görünmez bir Mehdi

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vardır.

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Bin küsür seneden beri

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kayıptır.

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Ve bu kişi

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görünür bazı

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kişilere, göğe

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ve fikirler

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beyan eder, bir şeyler

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söyler.

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Böyle bir inançları

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var.

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Bu inanç içerisinde de

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kan dökme inancı vardır.

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Dolayısıyla

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İsrail'in yerle bir edilmesi,

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işte taşın ağacına

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kasına çocukların,

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İsrail'li çocukların

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kaçacağı,

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saklanacağı fakat

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taşların ve ağaçların

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onlara haber verip

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onların da

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onları infaz edeceği,

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yani büyük bir kitle

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katilamı yapacakları

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şeklinde

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hayalleri vardır.

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Bu çok çirkin

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ve dehşet vericidir

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tabii.

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Bir Müslüman için

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haram olan,

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katillik olan bir

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inanç

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biçimidir.

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İslam'a ve Kur'an'a

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tamamen zıttır.

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Dolayısıyla zulme

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Allah hiçbir zaman için

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rıza etmez.

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İran'daki bu yanlış

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inancın ortadan

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kalkması yine

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Mehdi ve Kral

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Mesih tarafından

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olacaktır.

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İslam aleminin bir

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çoğunda bu.

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Sünni inançlar

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vardır böyle yanlış

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inançlar.

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Yani Alevileri,

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Bektaşları doğramak

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isteyen birçok

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yobaz var.

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Birçok yanlış

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düşüncede insan var.

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Dolayısıyla bu kan

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dökücülüğün,

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bu zalimliğin,

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gaddarlığın

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yeryüzünden

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kalkması için

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şart olduğunu

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Allah herkese

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gösteriyor.

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Mehdi'nin,

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Kral Mesih'in

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vaktinde,

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zamanında

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bunların hepsi

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ortadan kalkacaktır.

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Biz önem vermiyoruz

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derlerse,

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o zaman

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Deccal dünyayı

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kasıp kavurur.

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Ama biz

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Mehdi'ye,

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Kral Mesih'e

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önem veriyoruz

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derlerse,

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Allah üstlerinden

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o belayı kaldırır

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ve huzur ve rahatlık

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içinde yaşarlar.

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Another issue

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which I think

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is very

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exciting

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for all of us

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is what

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is called

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the Arab

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Spring.

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Israel

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there was a lot

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of sympathy

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to those

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who looked

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for reforms

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throughout

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the Arab

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world.

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but

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there is

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also

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some

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concern

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that

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these hopes

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will not

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be fulfilled

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and that

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we are going

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to have

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either

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once again

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brutal

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military

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regimes

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or

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the rule

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not of

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peace-loving

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Muslims

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like

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Mr.

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Oktar

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but

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all kinds

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of

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extreme

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Muslims

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which

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are

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more

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similar

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to

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those

290
00:12:02,280 --> 00:12:02,460
who

291
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conducted

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the

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different

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terrorist

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attacks

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including

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the

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9-11

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attack

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just

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10

302
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years

303
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ago

304
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and

305
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I wonder

306
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if

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Mr.

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Oktar

309
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is

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hopeful

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about the

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future

313
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or does

314
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share

315
00:12:21,620 --> 00:12:23,240
our

316
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concern

317
00:12:24,020 --> 00:12:25,200
as well

318
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Doğru

319
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söylüyorlar

320
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yani

321
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Mehdiyetin

322
00:12:29,800 --> 00:12:30,460
olmadığı

323
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Mesihiyetin

324
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olmadığı

325
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her yerde

326
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mutlaka

327
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deccariyet

328
00:12:34,100 --> 00:12:34,660
olacaktır

329
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ve mutlaka

330
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acı

331
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zırap

332
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olacaktır

333
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mesela Libya'da

334
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sistem

335
00:12:39,940 --> 00:12:41,500
sertleşecektir

336
00:12:41,500 --> 00:12:42,980
Irak'ta

337
00:12:42,980 --> 00:12:43,400
sistem

338
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sertleşecektir

339
00:12:44,520 --> 00:12:45,960
diğer ülkelerde

340
00:12:45,960 --> 00:12:46,420
sistem

341
00:12:46,420 --> 00:12:47,120
sertleşecektir

342
00:12:47,120 --> 00:12:47,820
çünkü insanlar

343
00:12:47,820 --> 00:12:48,500
birbirlerini

344
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zulüm ve

345
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gaddarlık

346
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yönünde

347
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teşvik ediyorlar

348
00:12:51,480 --> 00:12:52,120
yani zalim

349
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olan insan

350
00:12:52,640 --> 00:12:53,380
takdir ediliyor

351
00:12:53,380 --> 00:12:53,840
dünyanın

352
00:12:53,840 --> 00:12:54,400
birçok yerinde

353
00:12:54,400 --> 00:12:54,800
bu böyle

354
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yani

355
00:12:56,140 --> 00:12:56,660
hemen hemen

356
00:12:56,660 --> 00:12:57,100
dünyanın her

357
00:12:57,100 --> 00:12:57,560
tarafında

358
00:12:57,560 --> 00:12:58,080
bu böyledir

359
00:12:58,080 --> 00:12:58,600
deccariyet

360
00:12:58,600 --> 00:12:59,000
insanları

361
00:12:59,000 --> 00:12:59,660
bunu öğretti

362
00:12:59,660 --> 00:13:01,240
kan dökmeyi

363
00:13:01,240 --> 00:13:02,340
savunan

364
00:13:02,340 --> 00:13:02,880
bir insan

365
00:13:02,880 --> 00:13:04,580
acı

366
00:13:04,580 --> 00:13:05,800
saçmayı

367
00:13:05,800 --> 00:13:06,640
insanlara

368
00:13:06,640 --> 00:13:07,060
ızdırap

369
00:13:07,060 --> 00:13:07,760
vermeyi

370
00:13:07,760 --> 00:13:09,140
insanlara

371
00:13:09,140 --> 00:13:10,060
huzursuzluk

372
00:13:10,060 --> 00:13:10,540
vermeyi

373
00:13:10,540 --> 00:13:11,340
isteyen insanlar

374
00:13:11,340 --> 00:13:12,080
takdir ediliyor

375
00:13:12,080 --> 00:13:13,780
iyi insanlar

376
00:13:13,780 --> 00:13:14,180
genellikle

377
00:13:14,180 --> 00:13:14,860
daha

378
00:13:14,860 --> 00:13:15,600
gerilerde

379
00:13:15,600 --> 00:13:16,060
kalıyorlar

380
00:13:16,060 --> 00:13:17,320
işte bu

381
00:13:17,320 --> 00:13:18,540
kral mesih

382
00:13:18,540 --> 00:13:19,760
devrinin

383
00:13:19,760 --> 00:13:20,540
apaçık

384
00:13:20,540 --> 00:13:21,800
imzasıdır

385
00:13:21,800 --> 00:13:22,780
yani

386
00:13:22,780 --> 00:13:23,660
kral mesihin

387
00:13:23,660 --> 00:13:24,300
geldiğinin

388
00:13:24,300 --> 00:13:24,800
apaçık

389
00:13:24,800 --> 00:13:25,240
delilidir

390
00:13:25,240 --> 00:13:25,480
çünkü

391
00:13:25,480 --> 00:13:26,420
tevrat ve tarif

392
00:13:26,420 --> 00:13:27,080
aynı bu

393
00:13:27,080 --> 00:13:27,660
şekildedir

394
00:13:27,660 --> 00:13:28,680
şimdi

395
00:13:28,680 --> 00:13:29,320
artık

396
00:13:29,320 --> 00:13:30,480
kral mesihin

397
00:13:30,480 --> 00:13:31,020
devrinde

398
00:13:31,020 --> 00:13:32,180
yani

399
00:13:32,180 --> 00:13:32,920
mehdi'nin

400
00:13:32,920 --> 00:13:33,740
devrindeki

401
00:13:33,740 --> 00:13:35,080
barış

402
00:13:35,080 --> 00:13:35,860
çağını

403
00:13:35,860 --> 00:13:36,380
göreceğiz

404
00:13:36,380 --> 00:13:37,040
burada

405
00:13:37,040 --> 00:13:37,520
Allah'ın

406
00:13:37,520 --> 00:13:37,820
gücünü

407
00:13:37,820 --> 00:13:38,200
insanlar

408
00:13:38,200 --> 00:13:38,960
görecekler

409
00:13:38,960 --> 00:13:39,880
bunca

410
00:13:39,880 --> 00:13:40,340
gadlara

411
00:13:40,340 --> 00:13:40,740
rağmen

412
00:13:40,740 --> 00:13:41,120
bunca

413
00:13:41,120 --> 00:13:41,800
acımasız

414
00:13:41,800 --> 00:13:42,300
bunca

415
00:13:42,300 --> 00:13:42,760
katile

416
00:13:42,760 --> 00:13:43,240
rağmen

417
00:13:43,240 --> 00:13:44,060
barış

418
00:13:44,060 --> 00:13:44,440
dünyaya

419
00:13:44,440 --> 00:13:44,760
hakim

420
00:13:44,760 --> 00:13:45,400
olacaktır

421
00:13:45,400 --> 00:13:46,100
ama

422
00:13:46,100 --> 00:13:47,240
tabi

423
00:13:47,240 --> 00:13:48,160
Allah'a

424
00:13:48,160 --> 00:13:48,800
inananların

425
00:13:48,800 --> 00:13:49,600
dua etmesi

426
00:13:49,600 --> 00:13:50,060
birlikte

427
00:13:50,060 --> 00:13:50,920
hareket etmesi

428
00:13:50,920 --> 00:13:51,400
birbirlerini

429
00:13:51,400 --> 00:13:52,060
desteklemeleri

430
00:13:52,060 --> 00:13:52,620
çok önemli

431
00:13:52,620 --> 00:13:54,160
ok

432
00:13:54,160 --> 00:13:54,180
ok

433
00:13:54,180 --> 00:13:54,580
one

434
00:13:54,580 --> 00:13:54,980
thing

435
00:13:54,980 --> 00:13:55,620
since

436
00:13:55,620 --> 00:13:56,320
you

437
00:13:56,320 --> 00:13:56,680
mentioned

438
00:13:56,680 --> 00:13:56,900
the

439
00:13:56,900 --> 00:13:57,400
messiah

440
00:13:57,400 --> 00:13:58,080
et

441
00:13:58,080 --> 00:13:58,160
et

442
00:13:58,160 --> 00:13:58,500
cetera

443
00:13:58,500 --> 00:13:59,660
and

444
00:13:59,660 --> 00:13:59,980
I

445
00:13:59,980 --> 00:14:00,340
have

446
00:14:00,340 --> 00:14:00,740
a

447
00:14:00,740 --> 00:14:01,160
couple

448
00:14:01,160 --> 00:14:01,420
of

449
00:14:01,420 --> 00:14:01,980
friends

450
00:14:01,980 --> 00:14:02,780
who

451
00:14:02,780 --> 00:14:03,100
I

452
00:14:03,100 --> 00:14:03,740
consider

453
00:14:03,740 --> 00:14:04,620
to be

454
00:14:04,620 --> 00:14:05,560
religious

455
00:14:05,560 --> 00:14:06,820
believing

456
00:14:06,820 --> 00:14:07,160
in

457
00:14:07,160 --> 00:14:07,580
God

458
00:14:07,580 --> 00:14:08,600
believing

459
00:14:08,600 --> 00:14:09,160
in

460
00:14:09,160 --> 00:14:10,060
creation

461
00:14:10,060 --> 00:14:11,520
and

462
00:14:11,520 --> 00:14:12,340
nevertheless

463
00:14:12,340 --> 00:14:12,900
they

464
00:14:12,900 --> 00:14:13,360
also

465
00:14:13,360 --> 00:14:14,140
believe

466
00:14:14,140 --> 00:14:14,620
in

467
00:14:14,620 --> 00:14:15,860
evolution

468
00:14:15,860 --> 00:14:16,500
not

469
00:14:16,500 --> 00:14:16,740
in

470
00:14:16,740 --> 00:14:17,080
an

471
00:14:17,080 --> 00:14:17,720
atheistic

472
00:14:17,720 --> 00:14:18,200
way

473
00:14:18,200 --> 00:14:18,420
but

474
00:14:18,420 --> 00:14:18,580
they

475
00:14:18,580 --> 00:14:18,960
believe

476
00:14:18,960 --> 00:14:19,280
that

477
00:14:19,280 --> 00:14:20,460
evolution

478
00:14:20,460 --> 00:14:21,760
could

479
00:14:21,760 --> 00:14:22,240
have

480
00:14:22,240 --> 00:14:22,580
been

481
00:14:22,580 --> 00:14:22,980
there

482
00:14:22,980 --> 00:14:23,980
and

483
00:14:23,980 --> 00:14:24,480
is

484
00:14:24,480 --> 00:14:25,260
part

485
00:14:25,260 --> 00:14:25,460
of

486
00:14:25,460 --> 00:14:25,680
the

487
00:14:25,680 --> 00:14:26,280
creation

488
00:14:26,280 --> 00:14:26,740
by

489
00:14:26,740 --> 00:14:27,460
God

490
00:14:27,460 --> 00:14:28,200
I

491
00:14:28,200 --> 00:14:28,440
know

492
00:14:28,440 --> 00:14:28,620
that

493
00:14:28,620 --> 00:14:28,800
this

494
00:14:28,800 --> 00:14:28,940
is

495
00:14:28,940 --> 00:14:29,100
a

496
00:14:29,100 --> 00:14:29,460
very

497
00:14:29,460 --> 00:14:30,740
heavy

498
00:14:30,740 --> 00:14:31,420
question

499
00:14:31,420 --> 00:14:32,780
but

500
00:14:32,780 --> 00:14:33,500
I

501
00:14:33,500 --> 00:14:33,700
would

502
00:14:33,700 --> 00:14:33,940
like

503
00:14:33,940 --> 00:14:34,240
to

504
00:14:34,240 --> 00:14:36,040
learn

505
00:14:36,040 --> 00:14:36,540
whether

506
00:14:36,540 --> 00:14:36,900
Mr.

507
00:14:36,900 --> 00:14:37,560
Oktar

508
00:14:37,560 --> 00:14:38,960
thinks

509
00:14:38,960 --> 00:14:39,400
that

510
00:14:39,400 --> 00:14:40,080
one

511
00:14:40,080 --> 00:14:40,480
can

512
00:14:40,480 --> 00:14:40,920
believe

513
00:14:40,920 --> 00:14:41,100
in

514
00:14:41,100 --> 00:14:41,520
God

515
00:14:41,520 --> 00:14:41,860
in

516
00:14:41,860 --> 00:14:42,020
the

517
00:14:42,020 --> 00:14:42,580
creation

518
00:14:42,580 --> 00:14:43,800
and

519
00:14:43,800 --> 00:14:44,600
also

520
00:14:44,600 --> 00:14:46,880
believe

521
00:14:46,880 --> 00:14:47,400
that

522
00:14:47,400 --> 00:14:48,220
evolution

523
00:14:48,220 --> 00:14:48,820
could

524
00:14:48,820 --> 00:14:49,160
have

525
00:14:49,160 --> 00:14:49,540
been

526
00:14:49,540 --> 00:14:50,180
there

527
00:14:50,180 --> 00:14:52,180
Evrim

528
00:14:52,180 --> 00:14:52,500
olsa

529
00:14:52,500 --> 00:14:52,840
en

530
00:14:52,840 --> 00:14:53,120
başta

531
00:14:53,120 --> 00:14:53,320
ben

532
00:14:53,320 --> 00:14:54,040
savunurdum

533
00:14:54,040 --> 00:14:54,440
yani

534
00:14:54,440 --> 00:14:54,740
bir

535
00:14:54,740 --> 00:14:55,240
gerçekse

536
00:14:55,240 --> 00:14:55,640
bilimsel

537
00:14:55,640 --> 00:14:55,780
bir

538
00:14:55,780 --> 00:14:56,180
gerçekse

539
00:14:56,180 --> 00:14:56,340
niye

540
00:14:56,340 --> 00:14:56,720
inkar

541
00:14:56,720 --> 00:14:56,960
edelim

542
00:14:56,960 --> 00:14:57,140
niye

543
00:14:57,140 --> 00:14:57,720
evreddedelim

544
00:14:57,720 --> 00:14:58,380
Allah

545
00:14:58,380 --> 00:14:58,900
evrimle

546
00:14:58,900 --> 00:14:59,280
yarattı

547
00:14:59,280 --> 00:14:59,700
derdik

548
00:14:59,700 --> 00:15:00,900
çok

549
00:15:00,900 --> 00:15:01,080
da

550
00:15:01,080 --> 00:15:01,480
makul

551
00:15:01,480 --> 00:15:01,780
doldur

552
00:15:01,780 --> 00:15:01,980
yani

553
00:15:01,980 --> 00:15:02,200
çünkü

554
00:15:02,200 --> 00:15:02,560
çocuk

555
00:15:02,560 --> 00:15:02,940
ana

556
00:15:02,940 --> 00:15:03,500
rahminde

557
00:15:03,500 --> 00:15:04,400
değil mi

558
00:15:04,400 --> 00:15:04,760
sperm

559
00:15:04,760 --> 00:15:05,280
yumurta

560
00:15:05,280 --> 00:15:05,960
birleşiyor

561
00:15:05,960 --> 00:15:07,020
çeşit

562
00:15:07,020 --> 00:15:07,220
çeşit

563
00:15:07,220 --> 00:15:07,660
şekiller

564
00:15:07,660 --> 00:15:07,940
alıyor

565
00:15:07,940 --> 00:15:08,520
sonunda

566
00:15:08,520 --> 00:15:10,200
doğuyor

567
00:15:10,200 --> 00:15:10,780
çocuk

568
00:15:10,780 --> 00:15:11,040
olarak

569
00:15:11,040 --> 00:15:11,460
doğuyor

570
00:15:11,460 --> 00:15:11,820
ama

571
00:15:11,820 --> 00:15:12,900
ara aşamalarında

572
00:15:12,900 --> 00:15:13,280
çocuğa

573
00:15:13,280 --> 00:15:13,860
benzemiyor

574
00:15:13,860 --> 00:15:14,940
bu

575
00:15:14,940 --> 00:15:15,380
sistem

576
00:15:15,380 --> 00:15:15,900
nasılsa

577
00:15:15,900 --> 00:15:16,100
Allah

578
00:15:16,100 --> 00:15:16,320
bu

579
00:15:16,320 --> 00:15:16,820
sistemle

580
00:15:16,820 --> 00:15:17,000
de

581
00:15:17,000 --> 00:15:17,240
diğer

582
00:15:17,240 --> 00:15:17,720
insanları

583
00:15:17,720 --> 00:15:18,220
varlıkları

584
00:15:18,220 --> 00:15:18,640
canlıları

585
00:15:18,640 --> 00:15:18,960
yarattı

586
00:15:18,960 --> 00:15:19,580
diyebilirdik

587
00:15:19,580 --> 00:15:20,340
ama

588
00:15:20,340 --> 00:15:20,780
bilimsel

589
00:15:20,780 --> 00:15:20,960
olarak

590
00:15:20,960 --> 00:15:21,760
baktığımızda

591
00:15:21,760 --> 00:15:22,300
akılcı

592
00:15:22,300 --> 00:15:22,540
olarak

593
00:15:22,540 --> 00:15:22,880
benim

594
00:15:22,880 --> 00:15:23,300
bilimin

595
00:15:23,300 --> 00:15:23,580
bütün

596
00:15:23,580 --> 00:15:24,080
imkanlarını

597
00:15:24,080 --> 00:15:24,980
kullandığımızda

598
00:15:24,980 --> 00:15:25,900
hiçbir

599
00:15:25,900 --> 00:15:26,420
şekilde

600
00:15:26,420 --> 00:15:26,760
evrime

601
00:15:26,760 --> 00:15:27,440
rastlamıyoruz

602
00:15:27,440 --> 00:15:28,320
kendimizi

603
00:15:28,320 --> 00:15:28,620
zorundan

604
00:15:28,620 --> 00:15:29,260
kandıralım mı

605
00:15:29,260 --> 00:15:29,560
yok

606
00:15:29,560 --> 00:15:30,420
öyle bir şey

607
00:15:30,420 --> 00:15:30,620
yok

608
00:15:30,620 --> 00:15:31,360
350

609
00:15:31,360 --> 00:15:31,880
milyon

610
00:15:31,880 --> 00:15:32,280
fosil

611
00:15:32,280 --> 00:15:32,560
var

612
00:15:32,560 --> 00:15:33,340
tek

613
00:15:33,340 --> 00:15:33,900
bir tane

614
00:15:33,900 --> 00:15:34,800
evrimi

615
00:15:34,800 --> 00:15:36,340
işaret eden

616
00:15:36,340 --> 00:15:37,480
evrime

617
00:15:37,480 --> 00:15:38,040
ima

618
00:15:38,040 --> 00:15:38,440
eden

619
00:15:38,440 --> 00:15:39,460
bir

620
00:15:39,460 --> 00:15:40,300
delil yok

621
00:15:40,300 --> 00:15:41,380
350 milyon

622
00:15:41,380 --> 00:15:42,360
fosilin tamamı

623
00:15:42,360 --> 00:15:43,060
daha da fazla

624
00:15:43,060 --> 00:15:44,480
yaratılışı

625
00:15:44,480 --> 00:15:45,080
ispat ediyor

626
00:15:45,080 --> 00:15:46,360
proteinlerin

627
00:15:46,360 --> 00:15:46,780
yapısına

628
00:15:46,780 --> 00:15:47,340
bakıyoruz

629
00:15:47,340 --> 00:15:48,740
bilimsel olarak

630
00:15:48,740 --> 00:15:49,600
soruyoruz

631
00:15:49,600 --> 00:15:50,560
ama evrimcilerin

632
00:15:50,560 --> 00:15:50,960
hepsine

633
00:15:50,960 --> 00:15:51,640
soruyoruz

634
00:15:51,640 --> 00:15:52,580
bilim adamlarının

635
00:15:52,580 --> 00:15:53,080
hepsine soruyoruz

636
00:15:53,080 --> 00:15:53,640
budistler de

637
00:15:53,640 --> 00:15:54,000
soruyoruz

638
00:15:54,000 --> 00:15:54,580
dinsizler de

639
00:15:54,580 --> 00:15:55,000
ateistler de

640
00:15:55,000 --> 00:15:55,640
hepsine soruyoruz

641
00:15:55,640 --> 00:15:56,380
diyoruz ki

642
00:15:56,380 --> 00:15:57,500
bu tesadüfen olur mu

643
00:15:57,500 --> 00:15:58,460
ne diyor

644
00:15:58,460 --> 00:15:59,960
asla ve

645
00:15:59,960 --> 00:16:00,500
kesinlikle

646
00:16:00,500 --> 00:16:01,100
tesadüfen

647
00:16:01,100 --> 00:16:01,500
olamaz

648
00:16:01,500 --> 00:16:01,980
diyorlar

649
00:16:01,980 --> 00:16:04,040
mutlaka

650
00:16:04,040 --> 00:16:04,740
yaratılması

651
00:16:04,740 --> 00:16:05,180
gerekir

652
00:16:05,180 --> 00:16:05,600
diyorlar

653
00:16:05,600 --> 00:16:06,440
birisinin

654
00:16:06,440 --> 00:16:07,340
bir varlığın

655
00:16:07,340 --> 00:16:09,260
uzaylılar olabilir

656
00:16:09,260 --> 00:16:09,680
diyorlar

657
00:16:09,680 --> 00:16:10,400
bir başka şey

658
00:16:10,400 --> 00:16:10,780
olabilir

659
00:16:10,780 --> 00:16:12,180
ama mutlaka

660
00:16:12,180 --> 00:16:15,360
bir aklın

661
00:16:15,360 --> 00:16:16,420
üstün bir aklın

662
00:16:16,420 --> 00:16:17,000
ürünü olarak

663
00:16:17,000 --> 00:16:17,400
olabilir

664
00:16:17,400 --> 00:16:18,060
diyorlar

665
00:16:18,060 --> 00:16:19,420
biz bunları

666
00:16:19,420 --> 00:16:19,960
bilerek

667
00:16:19,960 --> 00:16:21,700
kendimizi

668
00:16:21,700 --> 00:16:22,540
kandırırsak

669
00:16:22,540 --> 00:16:23,680
bu

670
00:16:23,680 --> 00:16:24,480
boş

671
00:16:24,480 --> 00:16:25,400
tavır olur

672
00:16:25,400 --> 00:16:26,560
evet

673
00:16:26,560 --> 00:16:29,060
I know that

674
00:16:29,060 --> 00:16:31,440
Mr. Oktar

675
00:16:31,440 --> 00:16:33,440
published the first volume

676
00:16:33,440 --> 00:16:36,100
of the Atlas of Creation

677
00:16:36,100 --> 00:16:38,700
and I wonder

678
00:16:38,700 --> 00:16:45,840
if he plans to publish

679
00:16:45,840 --> 00:16:48,240
following volumes

680
00:16:48,240 --> 00:16:50,600
in the coming future

681
00:16:50,600 --> 00:16:52,760
3 cildini yayınladık

682
00:16:52,760 --> 00:16:54,840
4. cildi hazır

683
00:16:54,840 --> 00:16:56,540
yani daha Türkçe'si baskıda

684
00:16:56,540 --> 00:16:58,720
5. ve 6. cildlerine de

685
00:16:58,720 --> 00:16:59,680
çalışmaların devam ediyoruz

686
00:16:59,680 --> 00:17:01,220
çünkü çok kapsamlı olduğu için

687
00:17:01,220 --> 00:17:02,540
çok vakit alıyor

688
00:17:02,540 --> 00:17:06,420
I apologize that I'm not updated

689
00:17:06,420 --> 00:17:08,020
estağfurullah

690
00:17:08,020 --> 00:17:08,520
ok

691
00:17:08,520 --> 00:17:09,460
let me just

692
00:17:09,460 --> 00:17:09,900
say

693
00:17:09,900 --> 00:17:10,280
that

694
00:17:10,280 --> 00:17:11,400
I think

695
00:17:11,400 --> 00:17:11,680
that

696
00:17:11,680 --> 00:17:13,420
Mr. Oktar

697
00:17:13,420 --> 00:17:14,100
is really

698
00:17:14,100 --> 00:17:15,640
one of the

699
00:17:15,640 --> 00:17:16,800
most interesting

700
00:17:16,800 --> 00:17:17,560
people

701
00:17:17,560 --> 00:17:18,340
with whom I

702
00:17:18,340 --> 00:17:20,200
had the opportunity

703
00:17:20,200 --> 00:17:21,080
to talk

704
00:17:21,080 --> 00:17:22,500
and it was

705
00:17:22,500 --> 00:17:23,420
a real

706
00:17:23,420 --> 00:17:24,500
challenge

707
00:17:24,500 --> 00:17:25,200
and

708
00:17:25,200 --> 00:17:26,440
a delight

709
00:17:26,440 --> 00:17:28,100
and I really

710
00:17:28,100 --> 00:17:28,580
hope

711
00:17:28,580 --> 00:17:29,400
that we

712
00:17:29,400 --> 00:17:29,840
have

713
00:17:29,840 --> 00:17:30,940
more opportunities

714
00:17:30,940 --> 00:17:31,780
to talk

715
00:17:31,780 --> 00:17:33,160
maybe in person

716
00:17:33,160 --> 00:17:34,300
during one of his

717
00:17:34,300 --> 00:17:35,520
visits to Israel

718
00:17:35,520 --> 00:17:36,540
or maybe

719
00:17:36,540 --> 00:17:37,440
when I visit

720
00:17:37,440 --> 00:17:39,340
Turkey

721
00:17:39,340 --> 00:17:40,940
so anyway

722
00:17:40,940 --> 00:17:41,900
I really

723
00:17:41,900 --> 00:17:42,440
thank you

724
00:17:42,440 --> 00:17:43,800
very much

725
00:17:43,800 --> 00:17:44,300
for having

726
00:17:44,300 --> 00:17:45,780
that opportunity

727
00:17:45,780 --> 00:17:46,960
Ben de teşekkür

728
00:17:46,960 --> 00:17:47,300
ediyorum

729
00:17:47,300 --> 00:17:48,300
çok memnun oldum

730
00:17:48,300 --> 00:17:49,160
inşaAllah

731
00:17:49,160 --> 00:17:49,700
Kudüs'te

732
00:17:49,700 --> 00:17:50,320
görüşeceğiz

733
00:17:50,320 --> 00:17:51,600
zaten o şart

734
00:17:51,600 --> 00:17:52,980
ama sizleri de

735
00:17:52,980 --> 00:17:54,060
Türkiye'yi bekliyoruz

736
00:17:54,060 --> 00:17:55,040
saygılar

737
00:17:55,040 --> 00:17:55,980
sevgiler sunuyorum

738
00:17:55,980 --> 00:17:56,800
ok

739
00:17:56,800 --> 00:17:58,180
thank you very much

740
00:17:58,180 --> 00:17:59,120
ben de teşekkür

741
00:17:59,120 --> 00:18:00,240
teşekkür ederim

742
00:18:00,240 --> 00:18:01,020
selam

743
00:18:01,020 --> 00:18:01,840
selam

744
00:18:01,840 --> 00:18:02,240
selam