1 00:00:00,000 --> 00:00:08,280 I would like to now introduce our next speaker, who is Dr. Ohtar Babuna. 2 00:00:08,900 --> 00:00:17,000 He is a neurosurgeon, television host, and commentator on science, faith-related and political issues. 3 00:00:18,000 --> 00:00:27,940 He has studied and done research at New York University, the University of California, San Francisco, and the University of California, Berkeley. 4 00:00:27,940 --> 00:00:44,840 Dr. Babuna has lectured at more than 1,000 conferences in major universities and institutions, including the United Nations, the U.S. Capitol, Italian Senate, European Parliament, and the Gnesset. 5 00:00:45,040 --> 00:00:57,460 As a peace activist, he also participates in promoting the peaceful messages of Islam that stands for democracy, secularism, freedom, and human rights. 6 00:00:57,940 --> 00:01:03,620 He often talks about the positive role of religion in solving political conflicts. 7 00:01:04,060 --> 00:01:07,640 Now, please welcome Dr. Ohtar Babuna to the podium. 8 00:01:07,640 --> 00:01:17,080 Thank you very much. 9 00:01:17,320 --> 00:01:18,380 My name is Dr. Babuna. 10 00:01:18,620 --> 00:01:20,100 I'm a neurosurgeon from Turkey. 11 00:01:20,740 --> 00:01:22,980 I'm also a program host from TV channel A9. 12 00:01:22,980 --> 00:01:24,440 I represent Mr. Adhanohtar. 13 00:01:24,520 --> 00:01:27,120 He sent his greetings and love to everybody here. 14 00:01:27,980 --> 00:01:31,920 And also part of the movement of culture of peace and reconciliation. 15 00:01:31,920 --> 00:01:36,300 Now, everybody knows there are a lot of problems. 16 00:01:36,540 --> 00:01:39,620 Mark actually started his talk. 17 00:01:40,420 --> 00:01:43,340 He said there is more fragmentation in the world more than ever. 18 00:01:44,120 --> 00:01:53,200 The problems are getting worse and more and more conflicts, more wars, more bloodshed, more terrorism, more radicalism, and which is spreading worldwide. 19 00:01:53,340 --> 00:01:58,780 Of course, everybody has the purpose for peace and love in the world. 20 00:01:58,780 --> 00:02:00,500 But how could it be done? 21 00:02:01,180 --> 00:02:04,260 First of all, I would like to start with the language. 22 00:02:04,960 --> 00:02:07,640 Language for peace should prevail the nations. 23 00:02:08,220 --> 00:02:09,280 What is language for peace? 24 00:02:10,260 --> 00:02:13,680 You know, language is a key to open the hardened hearts of the people. 25 00:02:14,580 --> 00:02:21,420 If you use a language for peace with love, that's the only way, actually, to bring peace to the world. 26 00:02:21,420 --> 00:02:28,420 If you use an offensive language and words of hatred, of course, this will make things worse. 27 00:02:29,520 --> 00:02:33,940 And then, of course, things will never get back to where it started. 28 00:02:34,940 --> 00:02:42,020 So radicalism and fanaticism, which is a major problem for terrorism and the violence throughout the world, 29 00:02:42,020 --> 00:02:48,680 It is being thought in the families, in the schools, in many parts of the world. 30 00:02:49,600 --> 00:02:54,440 Their parents, actually, the parents of the fanatics, has learned this fanaticism. 31 00:02:55,080 --> 00:02:59,600 And from generation to generation, they pass this hatred to their children. 32 00:03:00,120 --> 00:03:01,540 So it becomes a vicious cycle. 33 00:03:01,540 --> 00:03:06,220 Of course, there must be a solution for this. 34 00:03:07,020 --> 00:03:08,200 Violence is not a solution. 35 00:03:08,440 --> 00:03:15,640 In the past, we thought violence, military operations would be a solution to radicalism and fanaticism. 36 00:03:15,780 --> 00:03:19,940 And it turned out it only makes things worse because violence generates more violence. 37 00:03:19,940 --> 00:03:28,400 You cannot stop the radicalism or ideas or change the false ideas through bombs, through smart bombs, through airstrikes. 38 00:03:28,400 --> 00:03:36,880 If this would be a fact, of course, then we have the examples of, since 70 years, United Nations Security Council has failed. 39 00:03:37,100 --> 00:03:38,060 NATO has failed. 40 00:03:38,600 --> 00:03:42,740 United States was in Afghanistan and Iraq, $7 trillion were spent. 41 00:03:43,320 --> 00:03:45,700 Taliban is even more powerful right now. 42 00:03:46,060 --> 00:03:47,160 Al-Qaeda is still there. 43 00:03:47,580 --> 00:03:48,720 ISIS has emerged. 44 00:03:49,520 --> 00:03:50,560 And how did this happen? 45 00:03:51,940 --> 00:03:54,040 Through false education. 46 00:03:54,040 --> 00:04:03,640 Before giving the weapons to the people, to these young people, they go through a false indoctrination, indoctrination of hatred, of the fanaticism. 47 00:04:04,060 --> 00:04:07,900 As I reminded you, it's being thought in the schools, in the families. 48 00:04:08,520 --> 00:04:11,100 But there is also documentation in that. 49 00:04:11,460 --> 00:04:16,780 Of course, as a Muslim, from a Muslim's perspective, I can explain what it means. 50 00:04:16,780 --> 00:04:34,240 There are sources of Islamic sources, which is false sources, of course, which document, they are full of documents of the so-called fabricated hadiths against the Koran, full of killing, killing of the people, hatred against Christians, hatred against Jews, unfortunately. 51 00:04:34,460 --> 00:04:41,400 And this being thought, the mentality of ISIS actually exists in the Islamic world, not only peculiar to ISIS or Al-Qaeda. 52 00:04:41,400 --> 00:04:51,540 So to stop this, if they teach this hatred, fanaticism to the people, then we must teach other ways around. 53 00:04:51,820 --> 00:05:00,540 I mean, we have the documentation of the Koran, which actually refers, I guess, stories of the superstitions in the Koran. 54 00:05:00,620 --> 00:05:02,700 It's actually pointed, God pointed that. 55 00:05:03,180 --> 00:05:05,620 So we have to do with the right education. 56 00:05:05,840 --> 00:05:07,820 Violence only generates more violence. 57 00:05:07,820 --> 00:05:12,100 If people see, like in Iraq or Syria, blood, they want blood. 58 00:05:12,460 --> 00:05:14,860 If they see weapons, they want weapons. 59 00:05:15,380 --> 00:05:21,660 There is no way to stop that with airstrikes, with a trillion dollars spending to the weapon industry. 60 00:05:22,200 --> 00:05:23,460 Everybody suffers from that. 61 00:05:23,940 --> 00:05:25,520 The United States also suffered from that. 62 00:05:25,960 --> 00:05:35,100 If they, there are, according to the scientific sources, there are at least three, four million people who died in Iraq and Afghanistan. 63 00:05:35,400 --> 00:05:36,740 Seven trillion dollars were spent. 64 00:05:36,740 --> 00:05:42,180 And the United States lost also their lives of their own soldiers. 65 00:05:42,700 --> 00:05:45,920 And 50,000 of them living as homeless in the United States. 66 00:05:46,440 --> 00:05:52,300 And every 10 minutes, one ex-American soldier attempts suicide and kills himself because they got psychotic. 67 00:05:52,400 --> 00:05:53,380 They saw these murders. 68 00:05:53,540 --> 00:05:54,240 They saw blood. 69 00:05:54,760 --> 00:05:56,540 And they become addicted to narcotics. 70 00:05:56,540 --> 00:06:02,500 So let's change this, but use the language for peace. 71 00:06:03,060 --> 00:06:04,460 Approach everything with love. 72 00:06:05,020 --> 00:06:08,780 It can be there is a situation where there is an anger and tension. 73 00:06:08,780 --> 00:06:17,500 Even then, we should avoid the offensive language, imposing the ideas, and respect other people and approach them with love. 74 00:06:17,500 --> 00:06:30,680 What love, what I mean by love is, I mean there should be justice, compassion, there should be mercy, and sacrifice. 75 00:06:31,080 --> 00:06:32,060 That's what love means. 76 00:06:32,060 --> 00:06:40,640 So, you know, love is mentioned many times in the Bible, in the Quran, in the Torah, in many other, also in Buddhism also. 77 00:06:40,640 --> 00:06:48,940 But we have to bring it out and use the language of this and teach against the fanaticism and the radicalism which prevails. 78 00:06:49,320 --> 00:06:50,820 There is no other way around. 79 00:06:51,360 --> 00:06:52,820 And there are people who can do this. 80 00:06:53,280 --> 00:06:55,860 And the West should support these people. 81 00:06:56,600 --> 00:06:58,540 For example, we intellectually do this. 82 00:06:58,800 --> 00:07:00,920 But, of course, support is needed. 83 00:07:01,040 --> 00:07:03,620 But what I mean by support, it's not a financial support. 84 00:07:04,260 --> 00:07:06,420 We can open websites all together. 85 00:07:06,980 --> 00:07:07,780 TV channels. 86 00:07:08,060 --> 00:07:14,020 If they have 1,000 TV channels, the radical people, we can open 10,000 websites. 87 00:07:14,660 --> 00:07:17,720 If they have 10,000, let's do it, 100,000. 88 00:07:18,280 --> 00:07:19,060 Distribute books. 89 00:07:19,580 --> 00:07:21,580 Imagine what could be done with $7 trillion. 90 00:07:22,260 --> 00:07:24,920 $7 trillion were spent in two wars. 91 00:07:25,480 --> 00:07:28,260 Can you imagine how many booklets could be published with $7 trillion? 92 00:07:28,760 --> 00:07:30,240 How many websites could be opened? 93 00:07:30,580 --> 00:07:31,680 How many TV channels? 94 00:07:31,840 --> 00:07:34,960 How much educational campaign could be done with $7 trillion? 95 00:07:34,960 --> 00:07:37,280 Why does this money go? 96 00:07:37,500 --> 00:07:38,700 It doesn't make any sense. 97 00:07:38,860 --> 00:07:40,140 But it became a vicious cycle. 98 00:07:40,800 --> 00:07:48,060 Every time there's a problem of radicalism and fanaticism or any crime organization, 99 00:07:48,480 --> 00:07:53,480 everybody thinks about bombing, military attacks, military interventions. 100 00:07:54,100 --> 00:08:01,600 Let's stop this altogether and make this money go into, they can spend their own nation, United States, $7 trillion. 101 00:08:01,600 --> 00:08:06,520 They can use this in their medical help, medical aid for their own people. 102 00:08:06,800 --> 00:08:08,380 600,000 people are homeless. 103 00:08:08,720 --> 00:08:10,060 I lived in the United States for a long time. 104 00:08:10,120 --> 00:08:11,100 I love United States. 105 00:08:11,580 --> 00:08:14,980 Beautiful people are living in the United States, everywhere in the world. 106 00:08:14,980 --> 00:08:18,660 And 600,000 people, I lived in New York. 107 00:08:18,780 --> 00:08:20,080 They were lying on the streets. 108 00:08:20,440 --> 00:08:23,680 And I was a doctor in the Bellevue Hospital in New York University. 109 00:08:24,280 --> 00:08:26,740 I get many times to homeless people for treatment. 110 00:08:27,160 --> 00:08:29,620 If they are about to die, they bring to the hospital. 111 00:08:30,080 --> 00:08:30,700 We treat them. 112 00:08:30,840 --> 00:08:31,480 You know what they do? 113 00:08:31,480 --> 00:08:34,720 They take them when they get better and throw on the street. 114 00:08:35,400 --> 00:08:42,280 If there is, for example, the temperature goes down, in order to prevent, the state collects them, brings them to the stadium. 115 00:08:43,100 --> 00:08:46,680 And if the temperature goes a little bit up, they were left on the streets. 116 00:08:47,760 --> 00:08:52,620 So instead of this, let's open the hearts of the people. 117 00:08:53,440 --> 00:08:59,080 But through education, and then all together, we can collaborate in that. 118 00:08:59,080 --> 00:09:05,680 We are very active, and we are very willing to collaborate, actually, with everybody who's working for peace. 119 00:09:06,360 --> 00:09:07,800 But only with ideas. 120 00:09:08,120 --> 00:09:11,180 Ideas can be changed only with ideas. 121 00:09:11,780 --> 00:09:21,600 If they have this false indoctrination of hatred, we can change it with indoctrination, with, of course, powerful scientific evidences, for love. 122 00:09:21,660 --> 00:09:23,940 I'm not talking only university education. 123 00:09:23,940 --> 00:09:31,480 Some of the commanders of ISIS or al-Qaeda, they went through university education in the Western countries, in the United Kingdom, for example. 124 00:09:31,860 --> 00:09:33,900 Some of them are PhD students, academicians. 125 00:09:34,280 --> 00:09:35,800 That's not what I'm talking about. 126 00:09:36,320 --> 00:09:39,500 A spiritual education, that's what I'm talking about. 127 00:09:39,800 --> 00:09:40,780 It can be done. 128 00:09:41,440 --> 00:09:42,100 It's doable. 129 00:09:42,740 --> 00:09:43,500 It will be done. 130 00:09:43,500 --> 00:09:45,180 I'm not hopeless. 131 00:09:45,400 --> 00:09:46,260 I'm very hopeful. 132 00:09:46,780 --> 00:09:57,000 By seeing beautiful people here, for example, use the language for peace, very lawfully, for three religions, you said, this is a very lawful language. 133 00:09:57,440 --> 00:10:00,600 Of course, this is the key to open all the doors. 134 00:10:01,300 --> 00:10:02,080 We love Israel. 135 00:10:02,200 --> 00:10:02,880 We love Jews. 136 00:10:02,980 --> 00:10:03,880 We love Christians. 137 00:10:04,180 --> 00:10:05,080 We love other Muslims. 138 00:10:05,080 --> 00:10:10,140 So, the world is more than enough for everybody, the resources. 139 00:10:10,480 --> 00:10:15,140 Only 1%, maybe, of the entire land in the world is occupied by the humans. 140 00:10:15,260 --> 00:10:18,720 The rest is by the lizards and the birds and wild animals. 141 00:10:19,800 --> 00:10:30,420 So, with all this money, let's bring peace, security, justice, compassion, mercy, love, through education, but through collaboration. 142 00:10:30,420 --> 00:10:39,400 That's the reason why ICD is so much important, but let's increase the number of the ICD people and organizations like ICD. 143 00:10:39,460 --> 00:10:41,420 Thank you very much for inviting us, of course. 144 00:10:41,580 --> 00:10:43,680 I've been with them since many years. 145 00:10:44,160 --> 00:10:52,260 They do a very good job for cultural diplomacy and changing this hatred in the world with love, intellectually, of course. 146 00:10:52,960 --> 00:10:59,000 But let's do more and use the media, use the intellectual power. 147 00:10:59,000 --> 00:11:12,660 However, good people have to come together, although good people are fewer in comparison to the bad people, but more powerful, because love is more powerful than hatred. 148 00:11:13,660 --> 00:11:15,720 With love, everybody can be happy. 149 00:11:16,080 --> 00:11:18,300 With hatred, nobody can become happy. 150 00:11:18,800 --> 00:11:21,200 It is very easy, actually, to change the world. 151 00:11:21,880 --> 00:11:22,340 It's doable. 152 00:11:22,520 --> 00:11:23,280 God will do it. 153 00:11:23,580 --> 00:11:24,680 And thank you very much. 154 00:11:25,380 --> 00:11:27,480 And I will be more than happy to answer any questions. 155 00:11:27,480 --> 00:11:27,900 Thank you. 156 00:11:29,000 --> 00:11:30,000 Thank you. 157 00:11:34,000 --> 00:11:35,240 Nobody, can I ask? 158 00:11:35,420 --> 00:11:36,160 Of course, yeah. 159 00:11:36,280 --> 00:11:36,480 Okay. 160 00:11:37,800 --> 00:11:39,500 Dr. Baguna, we know each other. 161 00:11:39,800 --> 00:11:40,000 Yeah. 162 00:11:40,220 --> 00:11:42,960 And we know that we share the same views. 163 00:11:43,260 --> 00:11:51,840 And if everyone was like us, so we were set in the world and we could say, happy new, peaceful year, 2018. 164 00:11:51,840 --> 00:11:54,420 Really, the problem is that it's not like that. 165 00:11:54,420 --> 00:12:09,800 You spoke about two important points, education and media, which are, both of them are very influential, that is so important in order to, as a tool for change, change perspectives and bring to a change. 166 00:12:09,800 --> 00:12:26,800 Unfortunately, also, the education is really not only the university level, but more, much more and much more influential and dangerous as well from the childhood and from the school, elementary school education. 167 00:12:26,800 --> 00:12:40,640 Now, I believe, and I wanted to ask if there is something that is done in order for that, because I believe that the change will come as much as we, the private people, each of one, will work. 168 00:12:40,640 --> 00:12:50,140 We alone will not be able to change the world, but if we work hard together in order to change the policies, the international policies, this can work. 169 00:12:50,140 --> 00:13:06,380 So, for example, when we are today facing a system, an educational system that we know that in schools they are actually teaching for hatred or teaching really false facts. 170 00:13:06,380 --> 00:13:31,240 Is there other moves in the UN or in other international, influential international communities that can actually intervene in the national education of a country in order to, so to say, to have the neutral or the good values to be kept that are taught in each school 171 00:13:31,240 --> 00:13:42,300 and to, so to say, somehow, not to control it in a bad way, but to ensure that it's a good educational system and it's not bringing the hatery and so on? 172 00:13:42,460 --> 00:13:44,920 Is there something that is done in this sense? 173 00:13:45,160 --> 00:13:48,780 Yeah, let me actually first be more specific what I mean by this. 174 00:13:49,540 --> 00:13:53,420 For example, there are Islamic sources and there is Koran. 175 00:13:53,620 --> 00:13:54,160 In the Koran... 176 00:13:54,160 --> 00:13:55,080 We'll come to that as well. 177 00:13:55,160 --> 00:13:56,160 This is my second question. 178 00:13:56,300 --> 00:13:56,540 Okay. 179 00:13:57,020 --> 00:13:57,800 Yeah, but so on. 180 00:13:57,800 --> 00:13:58,840 But let me go in first. 181 00:13:58,840 --> 00:14:03,060 Because in the Koran, God says there is no compulsion in religion. 182 00:14:04,380 --> 00:14:05,600 Your religion is yours. 183 00:14:05,740 --> 00:14:06,720 My religion is mine. 184 00:14:07,180 --> 00:14:09,440 And whoever wishes can believe. 185 00:14:10,120 --> 00:14:12,000 Whoever wishes doesn't believe. 186 00:14:12,560 --> 00:14:13,220 God says that. 187 00:14:13,320 --> 00:14:19,200 There is no killing or that penalty for any kind of belief, any kind of religion or belief. 188 00:14:20,120 --> 00:14:24,140 Actually, secularism is in the essence of Islam, actually. 189 00:14:24,140 --> 00:14:34,160 But if you look at the Islamic sources that are fabricated, superstitions, documented, and they call hadith. 190 00:14:34,240 --> 00:14:35,860 Hadith means the saying of the prophet. 191 00:14:36,380 --> 00:14:39,540 These are 200 years after the prophet passed away, generated. 192 00:14:39,820 --> 00:14:43,700 He never said that because he was ruling with the Koran, with compassion and mercy. 193 00:14:43,700 --> 00:14:50,560 There is a Medina constitution treating Christians, Jews, even the unbelievers, equally in the Medina constitution. 194 00:14:50,600 --> 00:14:52,800 This is one of the first constitutions in the world, actually. 195 00:14:52,960 --> 00:14:56,160 He treated Christians and Jews very nicely, respectfully. 196 00:14:56,360 --> 00:14:57,260 He had a Christian wife. 197 00:14:57,640 --> 00:14:58,620 He had a Jewish wife. 198 00:14:58,880 --> 00:14:59,800 The prophet had... 199 00:14:59,800 --> 00:15:00,880 People never talk about that. 200 00:15:00,920 --> 00:15:01,620 It's the radicals. 201 00:15:01,620 --> 00:15:07,120 And the churches were repaired and also the synagogues at this time. 202 00:15:07,980 --> 00:15:10,880 But now when we see there is killing... 203 00:15:10,880 --> 00:15:13,300 They talk about the killing of the Christians, killing of the Jews. 204 00:15:13,380 --> 00:15:13,960 Not only that. 205 00:15:14,540 --> 00:15:15,940 Killing of the other Muslims also. 206 00:15:16,040 --> 00:15:18,180 For example, I don't have a beard. 207 00:15:18,860 --> 00:15:20,560 There is a death penalty who shaves... 208 00:15:20,560 --> 00:15:22,520 They say... 209 00:15:22,520 --> 00:15:23,260 Who shaves. 210 00:15:23,720 --> 00:15:25,420 In the most respect, hadith books. 211 00:15:25,600 --> 00:15:27,780 You see that and accepted by the sects also. 212 00:15:28,620 --> 00:15:29,380 Who doesn't pray? 213 00:15:29,740 --> 00:15:30,060 Kill him. 214 00:15:30,060 --> 00:15:31,200 Who doesn't fast? 215 00:15:31,400 --> 00:15:31,720 Kill him. 216 00:15:32,020 --> 00:15:33,320 Whoever drinks alcohol? 217 00:15:33,660 --> 00:15:33,980 Kill him. 218 00:15:34,380 --> 00:15:35,260 There's killing... 219 00:15:35,260 --> 00:15:35,940 This side... 220 00:15:35,940 --> 00:15:38,080 Stoning of the woman who fornicates, they say. 221 00:15:38,720 --> 00:15:40,580 But there is nothing about that in the Koran. 222 00:15:41,040 --> 00:15:46,980 So if this is being thought in the religious schools, in the mosques, in the families throughout the world, 223 00:15:47,520 --> 00:15:53,600 actually ISIS mentality is much more widespread in the subconscious mind of the people. 224 00:15:53,860 --> 00:15:55,940 For example, there is a religious affairs of Turkey. 225 00:15:56,420 --> 00:15:59,600 The head of the religious affairs criticizes ISIS. 226 00:16:00,060 --> 00:16:04,680 But he never talks about what is right, why ISIS is wrong. 227 00:16:04,860 --> 00:16:06,820 You have to give evidences, of course, from the Koran. 228 00:16:06,880 --> 00:16:10,580 If he does that, he will be rejecting the sects. 229 00:16:10,840 --> 00:16:14,040 And then also another death penalty for him also, according to what they believe. 230 00:16:14,040 --> 00:16:19,440 So it is doable, but only Muslims can do it. 231 00:16:19,900 --> 00:16:20,720 Moderate Muslims. 232 00:16:20,920 --> 00:16:22,160 Islam is a moderate religion, actually. 233 00:16:22,400 --> 00:16:23,780 We do this intellectually. 234 00:16:24,520 --> 00:16:26,260 320 books has Mr. Adnan Oktar. 235 00:16:26,380 --> 00:16:27,060 A TV channel. 236 00:16:27,480 --> 00:16:28,380 A thousand websites. 237 00:16:29,020 --> 00:16:30,300 A hundred million downloads. 238 00:16:30,420 --> 00:16:31,000 Free of charge. 239 00:16:31,040 --> 00:16:31,460 His books. 240 00:16:32,240 --> 00:16:33,280 We don't accept donations. 241 00:16:33,720 --> 00:16:35,280 And a hundred million downloads. 242 00:16:35,760 --> 00:16:37,380 Thirty million books are sold. 243 00:16:37,820 --> 00:16:39,560 He doesn't want to make money from his books also. 244 00:16:40,420 --> 00:16:43,040 But we need, of course, support. 245 00:16:43,340 --> 00:16:43,580 How? 246 00:16:44,380 --> 00:16:45,260 More media. 247 00:16:45,980 --> 00:16:49,500 We have a media power, but BBC should support that also. 248 00:16:49,760 --> 00:16:51,900 CNN can use this material for education. 249 00:16:52,320 --> 00:16:57,120 Of course, it is impossible for Christians or Jews to go and talk to these people and educate these people. 250 00:16:57,180 --> 00:16:59,160 But Muslims who can do it can be supported. 251 00:16:59,540 --> 00:17:00,800 So we can collaborate with that. 252 00:17:00,800 --> 00:17:05,280 It is very easy to change, to stop the ISIS only through education. 253 00:17:05,840 --> 00:17:06,780 There is no other way. 254 00:17:07,160 --> 00:17:07,240 Yeah. 255 00:17:07,600 --> 00:17:11,720 There are two systems of education or influence that you were speaking. 256 00:17:12,380 --> 00:17:16,800 One is the educational system that I spoke about, the governmental educational system. 257 00:17:17,060 --> 00:17:19,340 The schools, the regular schools and so on. 258 00:17:19,820 --> 00:17:27,020 The second one is the second point that I wanted to touch, which is the point of the religious leaders. 259 00:17:27,020 --> 00:17:33,940 Because in order to influence a mass of people, you need to come to the head, so to say. 260 00:17:34,220 --> 00:17:43,020 Because in order really, the religious leaders need to come with a specific message or to show. 261 00:17:43,180 --> 00:17:49,220 This is, if the religious strong leaders will say, this is not good, this is good. 262 00:17:49,600 --> 00:17:52,060 And so the mass will follow them. 263 00:17:52,060 --> 00:18:00,540 Up until today, I didn't see really a strong, and sorry, Sheikh Hamzi, you spoke about it, 264 00:18:01,060 --> 00:18:11,100 a strong really religious declaration from the Muslims about saying, you know, stop, you know, this is not good, this is good. 265 00:18:11,100 --> 00:18:17,700 Because, because you told me, they don't say, you also told, you know, this is, they didn't say what is good and what is not good. 266 00:18:17,700 --> 00:18:18,080 Exactly. 267 00:18:18,200 --> 00:18:18,460 Why? 268 00:18:18,580 --> 00:18:20,020 Because they believe in that, actually. 269 00:18:20,120 --> 00:18:28,100 Many of them believe the sects, the Sunni sects and Shiite sects accept this full of violence documents, 270 00:18:28,520 --> 00:18:30,020 the Islamic documents, so-called documents. 271 00:18:30,680 --> 00:18:33,480 Of course, it's not Islamic, but they accept that. 272 00:18:33,480 --> 00:18:37,900 And these books are published in every Muslim country all over the world. 273 00:18:38,440 --> 00:18:40,320 It's called Qutub-e-Sittah, an Islamic name. 274 00:18:40,460 --> 00:18:42,540 I am one of the leaders from the United Kingdom. 275 00:18:42,740 --> 00:18:48,080 I'm representing the three million Muslims in the United Kingdom, and of course, other parts of the world. 276 00:18:48,640 --> 00:18:54,500 However, what we would like to say here, and ask a question, because at the moment, with all respect, of course, 277 00:18:54,840 --> 00:18:57,320 we're taking one side, one side. 278 00:18:57,320 --> 00:19:05,580 I am an honorary member of the police in the United Kingdom, and of course, advisor to the government on ISIS and the terrorism. 279 00:19:05,940 --> 00:19:13,280 I advise what to do with the terrorists, how we can help them, how we can survive with the government time to time. 280 00:19:14,240 --> 00:19:24,720 But the point is, when I talk, of course, I go with emojis, you know, with all the military leaders, and I talk to them. 281 00:19:24,720 --> 00:19:33,540 I was speaking to one of the military leaders, which is a, what was it called, a C, and what was it called, a Navy. 282 00:19:34,040 --> 00:19:42,000 I was talking to the top Navy, and they are trying to make a four warship, four warship, and I thought it costs a four billion. 283 00:19:42,300 --> 00:19:44,580 I said, how could you get that four billion? 284 00:19:45,000 --> 00:19:49,040 What we need that four billion nuclear, nuclear four billion. 285 00:19:49,040 --> 00:19:56,900 We can be the four billion, we can make many hospitals, we can make four thousands hospitals. 286 00:19:57,260 --> 00:20:03,040 We can cure the disease of the cancer, we can cure the cold, which is, every day we're going to get a cold. 287 00:20:03,220 --> 00:20:11,020 We can do this, how, he said, it's not four billion, it's 124 billion, 124 billion of the people. 288 00:20:11,020 --> 00:20:14,140 I said, for what, he said, security, I said, what security? 289 00:20:14,680 --> 00:20:17,000 He said, ISIS, I said, ISIS is too small. 290 00:20:17,760 --> 00:20:19,680 They can take it just like that if they want it. 291 00:20:20,820 --> 00:20:22,040 They are going to be the donkeys. 292 00:20:23,940 --> 00:20:24,860 You're in some of them, say? 293 00:20:25,220 --> 00:20:28,060 And we are, of course, as you said, we have to advise them as well. 294 00:20:28,400 --> 00:20:35,880 However, what we're going to do, we take a scale after billions of billions of trillion dollars on, they're selling. 295 00:20:35,880 --> 00:20:43,720 And it's just coming names of ISIS, names of the Al-Qaeda, ISIS, ISIS, ISIS, every five minutes. 296 00:20:44,000 --> 00:20:47,400 You know, every five minutes come, and one goes, another will come. 297 00:20:48,160 --> 00:20:48,940 You understand? 298 00:20:49,220 --> 00:20:52,220 What we're going to do, are we going to stop the selling there? 299 00:20:52,600 --> 00:20:54,840 Oh, this is very important. 300 00:20:54,960 --> 00:20:55,080 Yeah. 301 00:20:55,340 --> 00:20:57,380 Let me give you one more example, one more, actually. 302 00:20:57,520 --> 00:21:02,540 For example, there was the leader of the Al-Shabaab, the terrorist organization, was killed. 303 00:21:02,540 --> 00:21:08,180 Right after that, there was another attack when 25 people were in a bomb attack. 304 00:21:08,700 --> 00:21:10,020 So, suicide, for example. 305 00:21:10,140 --> 00:21:15,480 Suicide is unlawful according to Islam, but they say, as you said, if you do this, you will go to the paradise. 306 00:21:16,400 --> 00:21:19,240 So, false teaching is the major problem. 307 00:21:19,920 --> 00:21:22,320 But we can change this only through education. 308 00:21:22,980 --> 00:21:28,320 For example, we invite Mr. Adnan Oktar, the Jewish rabbis, the Jewish politicians. 309 00:21:28,500 --> 00:21:31,500 Many times, TV programs all together, they are beautiful people. 310 00:21:31,500 --> 00:21:33,620 And they have a right to live in Israel. 311 00:21:34,060 --> 00:21:35,420 This is from the Koran, actually. 312 00:21:35,560 --> 00:21:36,400 There are four verses. 313 00:21:37,280 --> 00:21:43,520 God says, children of Israel, I settled them in the Holy Land, and they will be there until the hereafter. 314 00:21:43,900 --> 00:21:46,440 So, as a Muslim, nobody can be against that. 315 00:21:46,640 --> 00:21:48,100 Nobody can hate Christians. 316 00:21:48,240 --> 00:21:48,900 It's unlawful. 317 00:21:49,020 --> 00:21:54,720 But it has to be thought, because they believe that Jews have to be hated, anti-Semitism. 318 00:21:54,980 --> 00:21:57,600 They learn this in the families, in the schools. 319 00:21:57,600 --> 00:22:01,020 And hatred against the Christians, hatred against the unbelievers. 320 00:22:01,160 --> 00:22:02,440 They have equal rights also. 321 00:22:03,040 --> 00:22:04,220 Hatred against the women. 322 00:22:04,660 --> 00:22:08,900 Women are seen as second-class citizens according to their beliefs. 323 00:22:09,380 --> 00:22:10,400 And they have to be beaten. 324 00:22:10,640 --> 00:22:12,100 They have to be kept in the houses. 325 00:22:12,240 --> 00:22:13,880 There is nothing about this in the Koran. 326 00:22:14,300 --> 00:22:17,440 There is ultra-modernity, and they have the same rights with the men. 327 00:22:17,500 --> 00:22:18,280 There is no beating. 328 00:22:18,860 --> 00:22:19,600 It's unlawful. 329 00:22:19,640 --> 00:22:20,480 You cannot do that. 330 00:22:20,480 --> 00:22:25,060 However, education is the only way, not the military interventions. 331 00:22:25,720 --> 00:22:28,480 Violence only generates violence. 332 00:22:28,620 --> 00:22:29,780 It becomes a vicious cycle. 333 00:22:29,940 --> 00:22:32,160 And we have seen this in 70, 80 years. 334 00:22:32,500 --> 00:22:33,460 It has become worse. 335 00:22:33,620 --> 00:22:36,740 Actually, 11 million Muslims were killed by Muslims. 336 00:22:37,260 --> 00:22:39,220 There is a problem among the Muslims also. 337 00:22:39,220 --> 00:22:47,980 So, unity, alliance, and bringing to a goodwill, authority, spiritual leader, and also alliance 338 00:22:47,980 --> 00:22:52,700 with the Christians, alliance with the Jews, and alliance with the unbelievers also, because 339 00:22:52,700 --> 00:22:54,580 God says, whoever wishes can believe. 340 00:22:54,880 --> 00:22:56,340 Whoever wishes doesn't believe. 341 00:22:56,420 --> 00:22:57,020 It's free. 342 00:22:57,320 --> 00:23:00,260 Complete freedom of thought and speech according to the Koran. 343 00:23:00,700 --> 00:23:02,460 But let's do this intellectually. 344 00:23:02,740 --> 00:23:03,360 It's doable. 345 00:23:03,900 --> 00:23:04,840 It's not difficult. 346 00:23:04,840 --> 00:23:09,080 And we can replace the love, because love was taken away from the world. 347 00:23:09,220 --> 00:23:11,140 It's not only peculiar to the Middle East. 348 00:23:11,280 --> 00:23:12,780 It's everywhere in the world like this. 349 00:23:13,340 --> 00:23:14,800 In Europe, the same way. 350 00:23:14,980 --> 00:23:18,580 People live alone, and they die alone. 351 00:23:19,060 --> 00:23:21,240 And the children and the families, there are problems. 352 00:23:21,480 --> 00:23:25,360 People became more egoistic, more selfish throughout the world. 353 00:23:25,620 --> 00:23:30,760 And the love was replaced by hatred against other nations, against other races. 354 00:23:30,940 --> 00:23:32,500 Racism is almost everywhere. 355 00:23:32,940 --> 00:23:33,980 So, we can change this. 356 00:23:33,980 --> 00:23:38,200 It's very easily, it's very logical, it's very rational to become happy. 357 00:23:38,360 --> 00:23:40,500 Everybody wants that, but there's only one way. 358 00:23:41,240 --> 00:23:42,780 Thank you so much. 359 00:23:42,780 --> 00:23:42,840 Thank you so much. 360 00:23:42,840 --> 00:23:43,340 Thank you so much. 361 00:23:43,340 --> 00:23:46,600 And of course, I agree.